From mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de Sat Dec 14 22:24:13 2013 Received: (at 364) by bugs.x2go.org; 14 Dec 2013 21:24:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from freya.das-netzwerkteam.de (freya.das-netzwerkteam.de [88.198.48.199]) by ymir (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F061B5DB20; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de (grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de [78.46.204.98]) by freya.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B925010; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F30E3C088; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:24:12 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de Received: from grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcVtwQvF3NeG; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 742953C028; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 22:24:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from p4FCFD4FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (p4FCFD4FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.207.212.252]) by mail.das-netzwerkteam.de (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2013 21:24:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 21:24:12 +0000 Message-ID: <20131214212412.Horde.NQysMgnYNgsDhh6jb88Eag5@mail.das-netzwerkteam.de> From: Mike Gabriel To: x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de, Ricardo =?utf-8?b?RMOtYXog?= =?utf-8?b?TWFydMOtbg==?= Cc: Stefan Baur , 364@bugs.x2go.org, submit@bugs.x2go.org Subject: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#364: Please add config option to disable bubble help text and change the wording of it References: <52A876A2.8090104@stefanbaur.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H5 (6.1.4) Accept-Language: en,de Organization: DAS-NETZWERKTEAM X-Originating-IP: 79.207.212.252 X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0 Iceweasel/23.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_Ni7Q73WjZ9UYRRprMCUOfA1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_Ni7Q73WjZ9UYRRprMCUOfA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ricardo, On Sa 14 Dez 2013 21:16:31 CET, Ricardo D=C3=ADaz Mart=C3=ADn wrote: > I'm the developer that coded at first time the notification message about > the connection status. Somebody else modified after the code to introduce > extra information. > > 2013/12/11 Stefan Baur > >> Upon connection, an info bubble pops up, containing a *totally cryptic >> session name* and disappearing after five seconds or so. >> >> No non-technical user can make use of that message, seriously. And even >> technical users will have a hard time memorizing a cryptic session name >> within 5 seconds. >> > > Complete agree. Not happy to see the session name there. > >> >> Please, also add an option to disable this popup, and seriously consider >> changing the displayed info to something more user friendly like >> "Connection to host , session established as user >> ." It's okay to add the cryptic string somewhere where techies can >> find it if they need it, maybe in an About-Box or so, but please - think= of >> the chil^W ordinary non-technical end user. >> > > I'm agree to show info more user friendly but not agree to add an option = to > disable this popu-p. Not sure who was the developer that added the sessio= n > id to the pop up. If the developer read this post maybe he could explain = to > us why add this info in the pop-up. /me shyly raises his hand... I don't care too much for the session name in the bubble. I find it=20=20 very=20helpful, but I lack normal user perspective, of course. However,=20= =20 I=20also think that we should make the bubble configurable. Actually it=20= =20 might=20be nice to be able to switch notifications on and off in the=20=20 session=20profile. The default should be: bubbles turned on. @Ricardo: can you fix the user unfriendliness of the current bubble in=20= =20 X2Go=20Client? @myself: I will add the configurability of the notifications for the=20=20 next=20X2Go Client release (4.0.1.3). >> And again, I'm kind of disappointed that we're adding silly eye candy wh= en >> there still are serious bugs to fix. >> > > I added the pop-up because if you set on the x2goclient option "hide > windows on connect" (as I usually do with my users settings) looks like > nothing happens when you click on connect button. So some users try to do > again and again and connection stuck. It's no an "eye candy". > > In addition, it's complete true there are serious bugs to fix instead to > add this feature so you have some options: > - Read in deep the code and send patches to fix them. And of course do it > for free and using the time you must to be with your family, friends or > doing some sports or something else... > - Fork the project and add the features you want > - Pay for commercial support to fix the bugs and your wishes > > I don't want to be rude but it's an opensource project and not very happy > when somebody use the words "silly eye candy" talking about the time othe= r > people spent for free. @Ricardo: Stefan is one of those persons who is very supportive to=20=20 X2Go=20behind the scenes. He also already contracted Alex for e.g.=20=20 development=20of the published applications support. @Stefan: supposing that someone adds ,,silly eye candy'' can be=20=20 insultive,=20indeed. It's always good to check with the contributors=20=20 (see=20debian/changelog) and check for the use case and give feedback=20=20 during=20he development phase (and not 5 minutes before the releases is=20= =20 due).=20(-> X2Go Client from the nightly builds for Debian and Ubuntu=20=20 had=20the bubbles for 2-3 months now and noone complaint so far). light+love, Mike --=20 DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike=20gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby fon: +49 (1520) 1976 148 GnuPG Key ID 0x25771B31 mail: mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de freeBusy: https://mail.das-netzwerkteam.de/freebusy/m.gabriel%40das-netzwerkteam.de.x= fb --=_Ni7Q73WjZ9UYRRprMCUOfA1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJSrMx8AAoJEJr0azAldxsxvh4QAJDXJwV/ddPSP1RE6dVTLrqR BCv5+rTskL4gryMotrWEhsjV/T7+K21QnQ9kO9456sNM7rlMuuNceOvI34zXqNgA 9H0Kk8qkSyC7xCXbhcZmLJskgeQC0LX2EKKmw2ACrd126lZO9CdTXjbJSLNK5BMW 5kAWvjecwtyEx1+/wPmDtSyDwqB3sQeOXXtKCNWzhFCjN9N+rQO6OpqQip03AnHf M7cIaszU4DuQaQTK/QnL3F+3GGe8CdkddlWBHlL0X6f2eIQuK/UQl3H6urvzBZD9 fJye7RHTOvw5Yq6Dz2ne/odH38GFRnuGXLBqz3vwgMtb8/L6sxhU8Cxvge5vg3pi pB+GbC2oGobU85yZWuzAsWxiGSl7LqdtXMagUJOMgRHSdCdm26RKfgUx3DVw8cgB Py72PO/6MJ7ht2VTy5wh6UXoWLAf8o024XYdvGiw1H3VHx9a76j87No0OBAKGaHZ 45LxIyWYOI5cmvNxIZ0O04sWVS5RxTYiicRmZ0EjZ4xp9tsE57miQnyxfR5Wi1T8 6SfqqtOFAhPxxkiUompqJw+BQ7YJiilUoUQVkhVZId+xWAfLUEr7GGY6wxU0tDj9 1AbLsx6D0gb3vB8urU+ZWi2Qfm/iEtJCMOZxJvK01h3EVkZJdMu1voh3ipqYcFPS Qqvp6+PXDxSZIOFtd06P =O1bD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_Ni7Q73WjZ9UYRRprMCUOfA1--