From sgsax@ksu.edu Fri Feb 14 23:38:55 2020 Received: (at submit) by bugs.x2go.org; 14 Feb 2020 22:38:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from ome-smtp-p-appspam-01.campus.ksu.edu (smtp-relay-45-16.smtp.ksu.edu [129.130.19.112]) by ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEAE5DAE9 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 23:38:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from ome-smtp-p-apprelay-02.campus.ksu.edu (ome-smtp-p-apprelay-02.campus.ksu.edu [10.139.45.21]) by ome-smtp-p-appspam-01.campus.ksu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-10) with ESMTP id 01EMcnDl029923 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:38:49 -0600 Received: from daytona.cis.ksu.edu (daytona.cs.ksu.edu [129.130.10.29]) by ome-smtp-p-apprelay-02.campus.ksu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-10) with ESMTP id 01EMcmS9026441 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:38:49 -0600 Received: by daytona.cis.ksu.edu (Postfix, from userid 115) id 57FCD60148; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:38:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from [129.130.10.159] (e2217x01.cs.ksu.edu [129.130.10.159]) by daytona.cis.ksu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF03C60043 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:38:47 -0600 (CST) To: submit@bugs.x2go.org From: Seth Galitzer Subject: latest release of x2goclient for Ubuntu has dependency on hello Message-ID: <74fab147-6aa0-5eb2-d490-c5384b3bedd2@ksu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:38:47 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 Package: x2goclient Version: 4.1.2.2 When installing the latest update for x2goclient on Ubuntu 18.04 from the x2go PPA, it has a dependency on the hello package, specifically hello-traditional. The full package version is 4.1.2.2-0~1913~ubuntu18.04.1. I suspect this is unintentional, but filing a bug to check. Output from apt below confirms dependency. $ apt-cache depends x2goclient x2goclient Depends: libc6 Depends: libcups2 Depends: libgcc1 Depends: libldap-2.4-2 Depends: libqt4-network Depends: libqt4-svg Depends: libqtcore4 Depends: libqtgui4 Depends: libssh-4 Depends: libstdc++6 Depends: libx11-6 Depends: libxpm4 Depends: openssh-client openssh-client:i386 |Depends: nxproxy nxproxy:i386 Depends: |Depends: Depends: hello hello-traditional Conflicts: Recommends: openssh-server openssh-server:i386 |Recommends: freerdp2-x11 |Recommends: rdesktop Recommends: freerdp-x11 Suggests: pinentry-x2go Replaces: $ apt-cache rdepends hello hello Reverse Depends: x2gothinclient-minidesktop hello-traditional x2gothinclient-minidesktop hello-traditional x2goclient hello-traditional junior-system hello-traditional hello-traditional hello-traditional hello-traditional $ apt show x2goclient Package: x2goclient Version: 4.1.2.2-0~1913~ubuntu18.04.1 Priority: extra Section: x11 Maintainer: X2Go Developers Installed-Size: 2,793 kB Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.8.0), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libssh-4 (>= 0.7.3), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libx11-6, libxpm4, openssh-client, nxproxy | qvd-nxproxy, x2gokdriveclient | hello Recommends: openssh-server, freerdp2-x11 | rdesktop | freerdp-x11 Suggests: pinentry-x2go Conflicts: x2goclient-gtk Replaces: x2goclient-gtk Download-Size: 1,299 kB APT-Manual-Installed: yes APT-Sources: http://ppa.launchpad.net/x2go/stable/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages Description: X2Go Client application (Qt4) X2Go is a serverbased computing environment with - session resuming - low bandwidth support - session brokerage support - client-side mass storage mounting support - client-side printing support - audio support - authentication by smartcard and USB stick . X2Go Client is a graphical client (Qt4) for the X2Go system. You can use it to connect to running sessions and start new sessions. -- Seth Galitzer Systems Coordinator Computer Science Department Kansas State University http://www.cs.ksu.edu/~sgsax sgsax@ksu.edu 785-532-7790 From ionic@ionic.de Sat Feb 15 12:12:03 2020 Received: (at 1439) by bugs.x2go.org; 15 Feb 2020 11:12:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from mail.ionic.de (ionic.de [87.98.244.45]) by ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BBA5DAE9 for <1439@bugs.x2go.org>; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:12:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.20.40.11] (178.162.222.163.adsl.inet-telecom.org [178.162.222.163]) by mail.ionic.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A6374F094FB; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:12:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; 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f27X14Mq0u8mHXamzsUd9SAOcm/FJUY99LA8f2mtF3dygEciLnDvZTkHOHgL/QzX+plp98oM xmL71uywLbaBjpp0BqpZ3UCguw== Subject: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#1439: latest release of x2goclient for Ubuntu has dependency on hello Message-ID: <0c721641-0bc6-a233-3c2e-a3c5ecf27076@ionic.de> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 12:11:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <74fab147-6aa0-5eb2-d490-c5384b3bedd2@ksu.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5zd0NaZsp8jtuuqaoeGOyFTlDH0IcLhgU" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --5zd0NaZsp8jtuuqaoeGOyFTlDH0IcLhgU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="A8NNOSOfHW7YpgrXe1x0XiqAUXoy0oBET"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mihai Moldovan To: Seth Galitzer , 1439@bugs.x2go.org Message-ID: <0c721641-0bc6-a233-3c2e-a3c5ecf27076@ionic.de> Subject: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#1439: latest release of x2goclient for Ubuntu has dependency on hello References: <74fab147-6aa0-5eb2-d490-c5384b3bedd2@ksu.edu> In-Reply-To: <74fab147-6aa0-5eb2-d490-c5384b3bedd2@ksu.edu> --A8NNOSOfHW7YpgrXe1x0XiqAUXoy0oBET Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Control: tag -1 invalid Control: close -1 * On 2/14/20 11:38 PM, Seth Galitzer wrote: > When installing the latest update for x2goclient on Ubuntu 18.04 from=20 > the x2go PPA, it has a dependency on the hello package, specifically=20 > hello-traditional. The full package version is=20 > 4.1.2.2-0~1913~ubuntu18.04.1. I suspect this is unintentional, but=20 > filing a bug to check. Output from apt below confirms dependency. It's fully intentional! "hello" is a very important package that ANY syst= em should have, however minimal! No, seriously, it's intentional. Optional dependencies, like for x2gokdriveclient, are most often resolved via an OR'd dependency with hel= lo in Debian packaging, since Debian doesn't truly have support for optional dependencies and hello is small enough to not cause trouble. We could hav= e made x2gokdriveclient a Recommends: instead, but eventually it shall really be= a hard dependency, like the nxproxy one. x2gokdriveclient needs further love (esp. regarding packaging) and is cur= rently only available for Debian in our upstream repositories - like I mentioned= in the release announcement. Not for Ubuntu, not for RPM-based distros, nothing = else yet. We'll eventually naturally package it, and once it's available cross-distribution, it'll be a hard dependency. For now, I'd ask you to l= ive with hello as a nop-replacement. :) Mihai --A8NNOSOfHW7YpgrXe1x0XiqAUXoy0oBET-- --5zd0NaZsp8jtuuqaoeGOyFTlDH0IcLhgU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - https://www.enigmail.net/ iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEbhHQj3UzgcdE8cg8H9Yu2W4lOocFAl5H0f0ACgkQH9Yu2W4l OoftfA//QMzvuEwphQtqkAc0tFFzzJY1eIZKQUS5n6LlGFpRrwIr09czjptbNgv6 wGzIPSG2REMKAev+x80JTbLoLDWDb2Ggy2tZ8264kFB6PnxhxgU6ucGGH8q/oJe8 MklCT8+cnXHzSTTaS70QcGnUbP+mz7YlkTVK0jWa6/6O9kpK/dknGT15ScQqlF7D Yf4LAR5wvmvBqxwZ/EuFFxcNC2JYJsUAY6HNwi7v6Eppc9uQWa/aHYuMn9/JMYG6 TanIJxHORFULO3EOi858QoaXLmGRhRXdEw8W6tbCqZnW5yeBmhihNn7mwigIrMB1 ZrEKnDQu3Ghs7I8b+yTzLiHN5tJEadjzSSqSZT1cQaGeidUiVX217ylrvhHl38CV r2B3DDSbiSt1q8h49fKJlmuYiIP2rWiPqYAtQprb/mnb2Nd/kYKoXswzJDekoBrW lRfwYqXt7ME0L/1b04HxH6NgPa7aeheaKC6/8my93WYG8rTx70NMY6sQ6q1SvCRh 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Nobody needs it unless he's wants to use it. People can use x2go without it. So I see it as optional either way... Uli On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 12:15 PM Mihai Moldovan wrote: > > Control: tag -1 invalid > Control: close -1 > > * On 2/14/20 11:38 PM, Seth Galitzer wrote: > > When installing the latest update for x2goclient on Ubuntu 18.04 from > > the x2go PPA, it has a dependency on the hello package, specifically > > hello-traditional. The full package version is > > 4.1.2.2-0~1913~ubuntu18.04.1. I suspect this is unintentional, but > > filing a bug to check. Output from apt below confirms dependency. > > It's fully intentional! "hello" is a very important package that ANY system > should have, however minimal! > > > No, seriously, it's intentional. Optional dependencies, like for > x2gokdriveclient, are most often resolved via an OR'd dependency with hello in > Debian packaging, since Debian doesn't truly have support for optional > dependencies and hello is small enough to not cause trouble. We could have made > x2gokdriveclient a Recommends: instead, but eventually it shall really be a hard > dependency, like the nxproxy one. > > x2gokdriveclient needs further love (esp. regarding packaging) and is currently > only available for Debian in our upstream repositories - like I mentioned in the > release announcement. Not for Ubuntu, not for RPM-based distros, nothing else > yet. We'll eventually naturally package it, and once it's available > cross-distribution, it'll be a hard dependency. For now, I'd ask you to live > with hello as a nop-replacement. :) > > > > Mihai > > _______________________________________________ > x2go-dev mailing list > x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-dev From ionic@ionic.de Sat Feb 15 17:00:32 2020 Received: (at 1439) by bugs.x2go.org; 15 Feb 2020 16:00:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from mail.ionic.de (ionic.de [87.98.244.45]) by ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CA45DAE9 for <1439@bugs.x2go.org>; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:00:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.20.40.11] (178.162.222.163.adsl.inet-telecom.org [178.162.222.163]) by mail.ionic.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B3AF4F094C0; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:00:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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kJiJ/zyYDuUtxSLHs82q6uCluUOwfMnIf9zuu2VL9Ot7/rdp0t+vx1yjaImjRQfxAiULWHXj f27X14Mq0u8mHXamzsUd9SAOcm/FJUY99LA8f2mtF3dygEciLnDvZTkHOHgL/QzX+plp98oM xmL71uywLbaBjpp0BqpZ3UCguw== Subject: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#1439: latest release of x2goclient for Ubuntu has dependency on hello Message-ID: <682cd690-ce70-9ff0-8e31-e5f25ae0d8b6@ionic.de> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:00:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gvXHh8JF31VzVyYu7UPLAhAWXPA08844U" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --gvXHh8JF31VzVyYu7UPLAhAWXPA08844U Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="W0R7y9TYmWNlTztrbXwGpc6MNmO0iA87n"; protected-headers="v1" From: Mihai Moldovan To: uli42@gmx.de, 1439@bugs.x2go.org Cc: Seth Galitzer , Mike Gabriel Message-ID: <682cd690-ce70-9ff0-8e31-e5f25ae0d8b6@ionic.de> Subject: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#1439: latest release of x2goclient for Ubuntu has dependency on hello References: <74fab147-6aa0-5eb2-d490-c5384b3bedd2@ksu.edu> <0c721641-0bc6-a233-3c2e-a3c5ecf27076@ionic.de> In-Reply-To: --W0R7y9TYmWNlTztrbXwGpc6MNmO0iA87n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * On 2/15/20 4:23 PM, Ulrich Sibiller wrote: > 1. why choose hello and not something that's on the system anyway, > like the kernel or bin-utils or some X package? I'm not a DD, so my answer isn't authoritative and Mike#1 can probably ex= plain this better, but optionaldep | hello seems to be a very common pattern in= Debian packaging. If a DD sees such a dependency, he'll recognize it and its mea= ning immediately. Depending on a package in the base system set (i.e., those marked "essent= ial") MIGHT be easier, but this is seems to be generally frowned upon because i= t makes degrading essential-set packages to optional ones more difficult, if I re= call correctly. I've also read that normal (i.e., optional, non-core/essential= ) packages should generally NOT depend upon packages in the essential-set b= ut just assume them to available unconditionally. > 2. why do you want to mak x2gokdriveclient (or is it x2gokdrive?) a > hard dependency? Nobody needs it unless he's wants to use it. People > can use x2go without it. So I see it as optional either way... Hm, Mike#1 wanted it to be a hard dependency, but moving it to Recommends= might make sense after all, since other software that X2Go Client *can* make us= e of, like FreeRDP2, is also not strictly necessary and merely a recommended pa= ckage. Note that Debian installs recommended packages by default (unless users explicitly configure or tell the package manager not to do this), so user= experience wouldn't be affected by that change anyway. 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Uli On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:05 PM Mihai Moldovan wrote: > > * On 2/15/20 4:23 PM, Ulrich Sibiller wrote: > > 1. why choose hello and not something that's on the system anyway, > > like the kernel or bin-utils or some X package? > > I'm not a DD, so my answer isn't authoritative and Mike#1 can probably explain > this better, but optionaldep | hello seems to be a very common pattern in Debian > packaging. If a DD sees such a dependency, he'll recognize it and its meaning > immediately. > > Depending on a package in the base system set (i.e., those marked "essential") > MIGHT be easier, but this is seems to be generally frowned upon because it makes > degrading essential-set packages to optional ones more difficult, if I recall > correctly. I've also read that normal (i.e., optional, non-core/essential) > packages should generally NOT depend upon packages in the essential-set but just > assume them to available unconditionally. > > > > 2. why do you want to mak x2gokdriveclient (or is it x2gokdrive?) a > > hard dependency? Nobody needs it unless he's wants to use it. People > > can use x2go without it. So I see it as optional either way... > > Hm, Mike#1 wanted it to be a hard dependency, but moving it to Recommends might > make sense after all, since other software that X2Go Client *can* make use of, > like FreeRDP2, is also not strictly necessary and merely a recommended package. > > Note that Debian installs recommended packages by default (unless users > explicitly configure or tell the package manager not to do this), so user > experience wouldn't be affected by that change anyway. > > > > Mihai > > _______________________________________________ > x2go-dev mailing list > x2go-dev@lists.x2go.org > https://lists.x2go.org/listinfo/x2go-dev From mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de Fri Feb 21 15:05:34 2020 Received: (at 1439) by bugs.x2go.org; 21 Feb 2020 14:05:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_HELO_NONE,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from fregna.das-netzwerkteam.de (fregna-internal.das-netzwerkteam.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:202:1381::1]) by ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E92D15DAF0 for <1439@bugs.x2go.org>; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:05:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de (grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:202:1381::105]) by fregna.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C181E6054B; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from das-netzwerkteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimnir.das-netzwerkteam.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96A77C0082; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:05:30 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=das-netzwerkteam.de; s=dkim; t=1582293930; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ipSKwSQLClKlcdMNznU6sBnSPm4XTF4F7305x1fecq0=; b=3Dzr23u8X3Y+xp7s7INXLBypI3sjfePfaWVksB5HCcnPFzoIan+ROlR92gJ96GZ+QKNrzB uMRaC3nGsWnKewgdiL5I3f5iW7TZQdMfdkCzMlhNdJo09iyhYSB1p80T4oMyGRyk0N02i2 //4rpi4EhSEVCWsFkRxM1wwIYWP1C7i/NK/tv+xxDnr8U0kwQVoJ5XqHUVwOU0vwgjNOw0 TBOJRuJbDz9z8KodtHcIrHlfpFtLGquxhnfKOZswmROSAt1jeK3nITBqmbZ52rxFzGpruw 0IaKWFbzH9Bcx2JN55q6GgG/WMo0R3zmB/qSjwD11/3Z88m6HYE/MrOshflFzcAoV9LAnJ GDTpbdGVmBDdWOnf3tUM3IaSA5ZYl5X2KKerLWEBQ4X6EvPFown96YgosNKJpPsLD7axs+ GTkItNPdUD9xcT9+pdbucVELzFJqQjfNQl9ai+TCKudylIl9GGWDh/hV0jHj1+O34p93cd 0UZm+uUawP6ys54FCBEPj9mQkibpfRCpR27Q6C++C9RIuHrjcr00JH1oHx8+V3ybNX4RKu BWRM7Rev5W1WSW3cU64ea4WmaIt2y2/35FvdzeImAT5pbCLy70buxeCssZc8DKuqyxTAzl PifzvZf+Yc7JCmdWOoFLVLsNMl6DbvXtQdXX5QU6j5LxpBYfXmVTM= Received: from business-90-187-115-117.pool2.vodafone-ip.de (business-90-187-115-117.pool2.vodafone-ip.de [90.187.115.117]) by mail.das-netzwerkteam.de (Horde Framework) with HTTPS; Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:05:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 14:05:30 +0000 Message-ID: <20200221140530.Horde.n0RdIPile8z6UJo66COnhT5@mail.das-netzwerkteam.de> From: Mike Gabriel To: Mihai Moldovan Cc: uli42@gmx.de, 1439@bugs.x2go.org, Seth Galitzer Subject: Re: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#1439: latest release of x2goclient for Ubuntu has dependency on hello References: <74fab147-6aa0-5eb2-d490-c5384b3bedd2@ksu.edu> <0c721641-0bc6-a233-3c2e-a3c5ecf27076@ionic.de> <682cd690-ce70-9ff0-8e31-e5f25ae0d8b6@ionic.de> In-Reply-To: <682cd690-ce70-9ff0-8e31-e5f25ae0d8b6@ionic.de> User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Accept-Language: de,en Organization: DAS-NETZWERKTEAM X-Originating-IP: 90.187.115.117 X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_55_lh7GEtrethcPhXK304dv"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_55_lh7GEtrethcPhXK304dv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mihai, On Sa 15 Feb 2020 17:00:27 CET, Mihai Moldovan wrote: > * On 2/15/20 4:23 PM, Ulrich Sibiller wrote: >> 1. why choose hello and not something that's on the system anyway, >> like the kernel or bin-utils or some X package? > > I'm not a DD, so my answer isn't authoritative and Mike#1 can=20=20 >=20probably explain > this better, but optionaldep | hello seems to be a very common=20=20 >=20pattern in Debian > packaging. If a DD sees such a dependency, he'll recognize it and its mea= ning > immediately. > > Depending on a package in the base system set (i.e., those marked=20=20 >=20"essential") > MIGHT be easier, but this is seems to be generally frowned upon=20=20 >=20because it makes > degrading essential-set packages to optional ones more difficult, if I re= call > correctly. I've also read that normal (i.e., optional, non-core/essential= ) > packages should generally NOT depend upon packages in the=20=20 >=20essential-set but just > assume them to available unconditionally. > > >> 2. why do you want to mak x2gokdriveclient (or is it x2gokdrive?) a >> hard dependency? Nobody needs it unless he's wants to use it. People >> can use x2go without it. So I see it as optional either way... > > Hm, Mike#1 wanted it to be a hard dependency, but moving it to=20=20 >=20Recommends might > make sense after all, since other software that X2Go Client *can*=20=20 >=20make use of, > like FreeRDP2, is also not strictly necessary and merely a=20=20 >=20recommended package. > > Note that Debian installs recommended packages by default (unless users > explicitly configure or tell the package manager not to do this), so user > experience wouldn't be affected by that change anyway. > > > > Mihai let's please make a Recommends: relation out of this here. Whenever x2gokdriveclient has been released, then we can still switch=20=20 this=20to Depends:. 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