From unknown Sat May 16 11:07:38 2026 X-Loop: owner@bugs.x2go.org Subject: Bug#139: [X2Go-Dev] Bug#139: Reply-To: Moritz Struebe , 139@bugs.x2go.org Resent-From: Moritz Struebe Resent-To: x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de Resent-CC: X2Go Developers X-Loop: owner@bugs.x2go.org Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@bugs.x2go.org X-X2Go-PR-Message: followup 139 X-X2Go-PR-Package: x2goclient X-X2Go-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 139-submit@bugs.x2go.org id=B139.137934848020773 (code B ref 139); Mon, 16 Sep 2013 16:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 139) by bugs.x2go.org; 16 Sep 2013 16:21:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on ymir.das-netzwerkteam.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) by ymir (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8DE35DA79 for <139@bugs.x2go.org>; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:21:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51] (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5796758C4AE; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:21:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52372FFF.6070004@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:21:19 +0200 From: Moritz Struebe Organization: Uni Erlangen-Nuernberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gross, Christopher W. (Chris)" CC: "<139@bugs.x2go.org>" <139@bugs.x2go.org>, "" References: <5236F889.4090401@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020507020208010907020001" Dies ist eine kryptografisch unterzeichnete Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------ms020507020208010907020001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040304080309000402080601" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304080309000402080601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Were getting off topic, but normally people spend their free time with things that satisfy them. Satisfaction can be gained by money, but for a lot of OSS it's because its something that person developing it uses: If some minor issue is bugging me, I'll spend time fixing it. If there is I major issue, but it doesn't bug me, there is no satisfaction in fixing it, unless I get satisfaction by people telling me that I did a great job. People just complaining do not help at all. Besides: Mac is definitely no major target platform. AFAIK neverpanic is currently working on it, and he already put quite some time into getting it to work the way it does. Thus it was no "why don't you fix it yourself?", but a "Fix it yourself, pay for it being fixed or stop complaining." - After all the broker is an Enterprise feature, thus spending a little money would do no bad..... Morty On 2013-09-16 14:39, Gross, Christopher W. (Chris) wrote: > Yes, yes, we know. The software is free. Every time anyone expresses > concern with something like the, this is the argument that comes > forth, which suddenly makes our concerns invalid if we don't suddenly > know how to fix the problem ourselves in a language we're not familiar > with. I am grateful for the software, but as a developer myself, I > find that programmers are way too sensitive to criticism. Sometimes > users get upset when glaring issues are put on the back burner while > other, much less severe bugs are added to new releases. It's going to > happen and it's a critical part of the feedback and development cycle. > Never is "why don't you fix it yourself?" a proper response. > > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Moritz Struebe > > wrote: > >> On 2013-09-16 13:38, Gross, Christopher W. (Chris) wrote: >>> This is very disappointing. It's been 6 months since this report was >>> filed (and since the last release) and even though it was acknowledge= d >>> in July, it still was not fixed in the current version. Will we be >>> stuck with this bug for another six months? >> >> Filing and acknowledging bugs does not fix them. You get X2Go for free= , >> thus I can see no justification for you to complain. Instead of whinin= g >> you could give something back to those people who spent many hours >> working on X2Go for free(!). Either by providing a patch your self or = by >> putting out a bounty. >> >> Morty --=20 Dipl.-Ing. Moritz 'Morty' Struebe (Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter) Lehrstuhl f=FCr Informatik 4 (Verteilte Systeme und Betriebssysteme) Friedrich-Alexander-Universit=E4t Erlangen-N=FCrnberg Martensstr. 1 91058 Erlangen Tel : +49 9131 85-25419 Fax : +49 9131 85-28732 eMail : struebe@informatik.uni-erlangen.de WWW : http://www4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~morty --------------040304080309000402080601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Were getting off topic, but normally people spend their free time with things that satisfy them. Satisfaction can be gained by money, but for a lot of OSS it's because its something that person developing it uses: If some minor issue is bugging me, I'll spend time fixing it. If there is I major issue, but it doesn't bug me, there is no satisfaction in fixing it, unless I get satisfaction by people telling me that I did a great job. People just complaining do not help at all.
Besides: Mac is definitely no major target platform. AFAIK neverpanic is currently working on it, and he already put quite some time into getting it to work the way it does. Thus it was no "why don't you fix it yourself?", but a "Fix it yourself, pay for it being fixed or stop complaining." - After all the broker is an Enterprise feature, thus spending a little money would do no bad.....

Morty


On 2013-09-16 14:39, Gross, Christopher W. (Chris) wrote:
Yes, yes, we know. The software is free. Every time anyone expresses concern with something like the, this is the argument that comes forth, which suddenly makes our concerns invalid if we don't suddenly know how to fix the problem ourselves in a language we're not familiar with. I am grateful for the software, but as a developer myself, I find that programmers are way too sensitive to criticism. Sometimes users get upset when glaring issues are put on the back burner while other, much less severe bugs are added to new releases. It's going to happen and it's a critical part of the feedback and development cycle. Never is "why don't you fix it yourself?" a proper response.


On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Moritz Struebe <M= oritz.Struebe@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:

On 2013-09-16 13:38, Gross, Christopher W. (Chris) wrote:
This is very disappointing. It's been 6 months since this report was
filed (and since the last release) and even though it was acknowledged
in July, it still was not fixed in the current version. Will we be
stuck with this bug for another six months?

Filing and acknowledging bugs does not fix them. You get X2Go for free,
thus I can see no justification for you to complain. Instead of whining
you could give something back to those people who spent many hours
working on X2Go for free(!). Either by providing a patch your self or by
putting out a bounty.

Morty


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Lehrstuhl für Informatik 4 (Verteilte Systeme und Betriebssysteme)
Friedrich-Alexander-Universität Erlangen-Nürnberg
Martensstr. 1
91058 Erlangen

Tel   : +49 9131 85-25419
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