2013/12/14 Stefan Baur <newsgroups.mail2@stefanbaur.de>
Am 14.12.2013 21:16, schrieb Ricardo Díaz Martín:

    And again, I'm kind of disappointed that we're adding silly eye
    candy when there still are serious bugs to fix.

I added the pop-up because if you set on the x2goclient option "hide
windows on connect" (as I usually do with my users settings) looks like
nothing happens when you click on connect button. So some users try to
do again and again and connection stuck. It's no an "eye candy".

Okay, different use case, it seems. While I'm also setting "hide windows on connect", I'm using the autolauncher in combination with it, so that after login, the application that my users need the most immediately pops up.  So maybe we could hide it when autolaunch (--autostart=<app>) is used? Still, I don't see why making it a configurable option would be bad. Either your users behave and don't change settings on their own, so it stays the way you configured it for them, or you set the --no-session-edit parameter to force them.

In addition, it's complete true there are serious bugs to fix instead to
add this feature so you have some options:
- Read in deep the code and send patches to fix them. And of course do
it for free and using the time you must to be with your family, friends
or doing some sports or something else...

While I'm not a "frontline" coder, and only do debugging when Mike#1 tells me what and how to do, I do happen to check for issues and report bugs/oddities, plus I'm occasionally active in x2go-i10n (since no English native speaker seems to have enough time to check our English messages), and a lot of that actually happens in my free time, like the last evaluation of the x2goclient.exe that Mike#2 had asked for.

Also, I have a few things in the works that add value to the ThinClientEnvironment part of the project, it's just that I'm not committing the source directly but showing it to Mike#1 first, since TCE is his "baby" and he will know best where to add my code or how to tweak it to play along nicely.
Just two examples: One thing, passed on to him about a year ago, was code to auto-detect an X2Go server similar to how WPAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Proxy_Autodiscovery_Protocol) works.
Judging from a note I recently saw regarding the X2Go Session Broker, I'm guessing he's either using it or it has inspired him to come up with something similar.
Another thing is an X2Go ThinClient that can be booted off a CD or USB memory stick, for cases where PXE booting isn't available.
This is not for older clients that don't have a PXE boot rom - you can simply boot gPXE or iPXE off a CD on those - but for cases where PXE booting isn't available for other reasons, like:
- You are allowed to run an X2Go server, but do not have permission to change or set up a PXE/NFS environment (a common situation when someone wants to demonstrate X2Go in a corporate setting).
- You are travelling somewhere, want to connect to your X2Go server somewhere else over the Internet, didn't bring your own computer, only a USB key fob, and don't trust the Windows installation found on the machine you're being offered to use (if you can trust it, you can of course simply use x2goclient.exe in portable mode).

Looking back in the X2Go-dev mailing list history, I can see 17 messages from you and 113 (yes, one hundred and thirteen compared to seventeen) messages from me. So let that sink in for a moment before you continue barking up the wrong tree.

Very thanks to write 113 (yes, one hundred and thirteen) messages. It's simple amazing. I wrote only 17... bad karma


- Fork the project and add the features you want
- Pay for commercial support to fix the bugs and your wishes

And that last point is what I've done previously, more than once. Maybe you'd like to check on the wiki who sponsored the development of the published applications feature, for example?

Or the Windows "interim" x2goclient that comes with the old pulseaudio, that avoids the stuttering noises when playing Flash videos? That would be me (or, to be exact: the company that I am the sole owner of), in both cases.

Also, you might want to check who provides the Apple Mac Mini (that is, the machine itself, the power, and the network connection) free of charge that is used for the MacOS x2goclient builds? Again, me/my company.

Your attitude, however, is one that might force me to reconsider my investment of time and money into the project. Especially as the Mac stuff is currently of zero commercial value to me: I bought that machine only so that the project could deliver a great user experience across all three major operating system platforms (while some of my customers are Mac owners, I learned that they prefer to run Windows on Apple hardware, so they run x2goclient.exe).

Oh my good! Please don't reconsider your very huge investment (mac mini is very nice and expensive machine currently better than IBM mainframe). And thanks for paying the development of the published applications feature! Maybe it's nice for you because the product you sale is just this feature.


I don't want to be rude but it's an opensource project and not very
happy when somebody use the words "silly eye candy" talking about the
time other people spent for free.

I don't want to be rude, either, but "free" isn't a valid excuse for "bad". Nor has it ever been.

Sorry but people that fill a bug using word "silly" and still thinking it's the right way to do it got no more my respect.


See, you started with a seemingly harmless addition of an information "bubble". Then someone else came along and added the session name. This is somewhere between feature creep and a color-of-the-bicycle-shed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%27s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect) discussion, and I would like to remind everybody involved that we should avoid that.

Thanks for the link.


We should stick to the K.I.S.S. principle, get the serious bugs worked out, then add new features.
I also doubt it makes debugging of currently existing bugs easier while new code for new features keeps getting added.